Dumb question but I will ask still.

[guteraction]

Okay like I said in my intro I just bought a 05 R6 , so I've been driving for about 1 month, but I have previous sort of experience . I am scared as FUCK taking sharp turns, I see ppl on there bike almost laying on the ground and start to think "That dude is going to fall, he basically has that bike laying on its side" . I don't want to take sharp turns, but when I get to a turn I have to slow down a lot just to turn. Any suggestions? Thanks

[asu-vfr]

you just gotta trust your tires. start going just alittle faster each time. it takes getting used too and if youve only been riding street a month dont worry. and as you get better you will start to see the best line to follow

[nickd]

i agree. slowly begin to lean that bike over and eventually it will feel alot better. also remember to counter stear in these turns. practice makes as close to perfect. keep the rubber side down!

[flawless]

lesson one - you "ride" your bike not "drive" it

lesson two - the centripetal force exerted on the bike will keep it from falling over in a turn at speed. Thats why when you see a rider get bucked off, it "ghosts rides" by itself. Point being that the bike doesnt matter if you're on it or lying on the ground its not gonna fall over at speed

lesson three- practice, practice, practice....it will come with confidence in yourself and the bike;)

[guteraction]

lesson one - you "ride" your bike not "drive" it

lesson two - the centripetal force exerted on the bike will keep it from falling over in a turn at speed. Thats why when you see a rider get bucked off, it "ghosts rides" by itself. Point being that the bike doesnt matter if you're on it or lying on the ground its not gonna fall over at speed

lesson three- practice, practice, practice....it will come with confidence in yourself and the bike;)


That is so true about lesson one. Thanks :lol2:

[guteraction]

Thanks everyone. Does anyone know where I could practice such turns, like a mall or something?

[nickd]

i was up at south moutain today, thats a great place to get some tight techincal turns in but its not a place i would like to make a mistake. parking lots are ok. i noticed a few years back left hand turns are the best way to lean that bike over in everyday riding. as said before practice it up.

[Birdman]

Did you take the MSF course to get your endorsement or do you have one at all?

The best way to learn how to lean and turn a bike is to take the MSF course, I would highly advise that you do just that.

Call or visit these guys. http://www.motorcycletraining.com/

[guteraction]

Did you take the MSF course to get your endorsement or do you have one at all?

The best way to learn how to lean and turn a bike is to take the MSF course, I would highly advise that you do just that.

Call or visit these guys. http://www.motorcycletraining.com/


Actually my friend told me to go to that place. I'm definitely going.

[06Gixxer King]

i was up at south moutain today, thats a great place to get some tight techincal turns in but its not a place i would like to make a mistake. parking lots are ok. i noticed a few years back left hand turns are the best way to lean that bike over in everyday riding. as said before practice it up.

that may in fact be one of the worst places to learn and get comfortable in this area next to Tortilla.

With all the dirt on the road at SM it is too common to find gravel and crap on the road and have the rear come loose. If your not comfortable normally that crap will scare you shitless.

Plus there are a few deceiving turns that can really mess you up. Ask Tadd (TachR6) about them first time up as a club both of us had a few jump out at us that required some mid-corner corrections, i was still new but he had been riding awhile when that happened.

Like Birdman said MSF is very important to take, no matter how much you think you know.

For practice spots ASU Lot 59 has some space that might work to practice tight turns.

Oh and as for the Left turns easier than right it will depend on the person which way they feel more comfortable it's almost like being right or left handed.

[Blue Devil]

Go to MSF some of the best money you can spend...

[flawless]

i got kicked out of the MSF course:rolleyes:

[guteraction]

Cool, Thanks a lot guys for the advise! I'm definitly going to practice and take everyones advise!

[GixJello206]

+1 on MSF best thing Idid. I didn't touch a bike till the first riding day of the class.

[Felixthecat]

+1 on MSF best thing Idid. I didn't touch a bike till the first riding day of the class.

Ya, same here. I did mine through Ride Smart and they were some pretty cool guys. Plus I think it was only $220. cheaper then others... but as far as I'm concerned. Very well worth it.

[schlizzag]

+1 on MSF best thing Idid. I didn't touch a bike till the first riding day of the class.

same here!

got my license within 48 hours of riding for the first time ever at the school

anyway... they're pretty good at teaching. i went to the one in chandler, and got this old british guy who used to race dirt bikes - he was a bad ass, reminded me of a drill sergeant

[jdamico03]

put a 70 series front tire on when you replace your front tires. the r6's are sketchy with the 60 on the front. its also an r6 so like U-turns just suck period cause ur hands are like pinched between the tank and the clip on. Besides that, listen to everyone else

[357Magnum]

it'll come with time dude. It took me almost three months to get rid of my chicken ring on my rear tire. I am still working on the front tire hahah

[Rodskii]

Okay like I said in my intro I just bought a 05 R6 , so I've been driving for about 1 month, but I have previous sort of experience . I am scared as FUCK taking sharp turns, I see ppl on there bike almost laying on the ground and start to think "That dude is going to fall, he basically has that bike laying on its side" . I don't want to take sharp turns, but when I get to a turn I have to slow down a lot just to turn. Any suggestions? Thanks


First of all I commend you for looking for advice. You obviously respect the bike and realize the dangers involved. That is a great start. Do what others have recommended and take the MSF course. Not only will you get valuable information most insurance companies give a discount for taking the course.

The only advice I have is to practice. Don't push yourself and sure as hell don't let testosterone and pride get the better of you. I would rather have someone laugh at me cause I take a turn slow than wreck it. If you enter a turn and you get that uncomfortable feeling you are at your personal limit and not the limit of the bike. Your limit is what we need to work on. The more you take the turn the more that personal comfort zone will increase. Take it slow. There are people that have been riding for years and still can't drag knee. Don't rush and have fun!

[guteraction]

First of all I commend you for looking for advice. You obviously respect the bike and realize the dangers involved. That is a great start. Do what others have recommended and take the MSF course. Not only will you get valuable information most insurance companies give a discount for taking the course.

The only advice I have is to practice. Don't push yourself and sure as hell don't let testosterone and pride get the better of you. I would rather have someone laugh at me cause I take a turn slow than wreck it. If you enter a turn and you get that uncomfortable feeling you are at your personal limit and not the limit of the bike. Your limit is what we need to work on. The more you take the turn the more that personal comfort zone will increase. Take it slow. There are people that have been riding for years and still can't drag knee. Don't rush and have fun!

Thanks.

[Tack_R6]

My advice along with Justins is if you have Dunflops on that bike get rid of em.... Michellin Pilot Powers!!! Go get new tires, but first the MSF class and take it slow, learn at a pace comfortable for you!!! And as always i am sure people on the board would be willing to help as well :)

[Blue Devil]

just wanted to add that its never a dumb question to ask for riding help on a motorcycle forum. Were all here to help each other. Were not like other sites where you will get harassed for asking questions that usually come from beginners. Theres only one way to learn... ask questions.

[az 05 r6]

My advice along with Justins is if you have Dunflops on that bike get rid of em.... Michellin Pilot Powers!!! Go get new tires, but first the MSF class and take it slow, learn at a pace comfortable for you!!! And as always i am sure people on the board would be willing to help as well :)
the dunlop 208's are crap in my opnion, thats what my 05 had, but the qualifiers are amazing! the heat up faster than the pilot powers and are very sticky great tires so dont every1 go and bash on dunlop cuz they had problems w/ the 208's the q's are great

oh yea and just take it easy and dont push urself past ur limits have fun! be safe. and like an instructor once told me smooth is fast

[Tack_R6]

I agree the 208's are crap, but based on those i will never try dunlops again. I have heard nothing but good about the Q's though. Either way get new tires either PP's or Qualifiers.....

[gsxrsp0rt]

So the MSF here in AZ is a good course? I took it in Texas last year (because of no license) and it was a fun course but only because I could drag the hell outa the little shadow 250's during the breaks. But as far as getting your lean down and learning to be comfortable at angle? There was nowhere to do it. and they never went over it. Just an empty parking lot. It was more technique on braking and how to turn in more residential areas. Are yall using a track over here?

Track days are probally the best way to learn to get a knee down. No cars, Clean track and learning the turns by going through them over and over. But probally not somthing to do until you have a few thousand miles of experience.

Just gotta be careful not to try and follow other people and push yourself too hard. Ive been in the dirt for that, causes panics too and Ive seen some bad highsides.

[schlizzag]

So the MSF here in AZ is a good course? I took it in Texas last year (because of no license) and it was a fun course but only because I could drag the hell outa the little shadow 250's during the breaks. But as far as getting your lean down and learning to be comfortable at angle? There was nowhere to do it. and they never went over it. Just an empty parking lot. It was more technique on braking and how to turn in more residential areas. Are yall using a track over here?

Track days are probally the best way to learn to get a knee down. No cars, Clean track and learning the turns by going through them over and over. But probally not somthing to do until you have a few thousand miles of experience.

Just gotta be careful not to try and follow other people and push yourself too hard. Ive been in the dirt for that, causes panics too and Ive seen some bad highsides.

good point, i think the conversation got a bit away from the original question.

track day courses would probably be the best bet - something i'm yet to do, though

[guteraction]

Where can I get info on track courses?

[Rodskii]

Where can I get info on track courses?

www.aztrackday.com (http://www.aztrackday.com)

[punchit]

im signing up for the course on the 5th and 6th of april. Hopefully its not full yet?

[M-Six Hundred]

it'll come with time dude. It took me almost three months to get rid of my chicken ring on my rear tire. I am still working on the front tire hahah

take it to the track that front tire chicken strip will dissapear real quick. :thumbup

[guteraction]

Do you have to have a full suit?

[GixJello206]

You can rent them there for free but yes full leathers is required if you want you can go watch a track day for free and walk through out the pit areas and everything its fun! I know a few people who race everytime and I know a few guys who work out there so I just go out and bull shit with them no one wants to see all my chrome out there on the track lol.

[Jimmy3]

Remember man, its not how fast you go. It's all about how safe you feel and how safe you are. If your not sure, then don't. You could end up hurting yourself or other riders.

[rc51mike]

:soapbox
it is worth every penny for sure
you can do your practical and written drivers licsense test so all you need is a pic taken at MVD
they also give you a certificate to give your insurance company

I really enjoyed it when I went
some of it seems kind of goofy like the hip swinging thing
trust me it works... don't be shy, bust a move man
SQUEEZE that tank with your knees
it will really pay off when you go thru the cones later on
this technique is called "body steering" right out of Reg Pridmore "CLASS" race school
http://www.classrides.com/ (http://www.classrides.com/)

they also explain "counter steering" in detail
that's where you push the inside handlebar down and away to start a turn
check these links out
http://www.my2wheels.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=6
http://forums.superbikeschool.com/index.php?showtopic=686
this is the exact same stuff Keith Code teaches in the California Superbike School
http://www.superbikeschool.com/ (http://www.superbikeschool.com/)

the bottom line is when you know what the correct body position is for the condition
it will not feel sketchy
it will feel natural
you have to learn the right techniques first or you will just be practicing bad habits
one technique I can pass along, is how your head is positioned is super important
you need to always keep your head up
looking as far down the road as you can see
look thru the corner
don't fixate on where your turn-in point is
you will go where you look
it is just as important to keep your head up
if you let your head drop in the corner that's when you risk tucking the front

riding a street bike is not the same as riding a dirt bike
the skill sets can transfer over
but, the techniques are different
confusing the two would promote a ton of bad habits
braking, steering, body position, weighting of the pegs
all different

guteraction... Please, please... do it, you will be glad you did

after some time when you feel more comfortable and have time to let what they show you settle in
do a track school like "CLASS" or the Kevin Schwantz school, or the TEAM stuff
they make it very comfortable to learn what you need to learn and make it fun
you will have your knee down in no time

then do the American SuperCamp stuff
once you have the basics down solid
Danny Walker and the guy's will blow your mind:hyper
http://www.americansupercamp.com/index.shtml (http://www.americansupercamp.com/index.shtml)
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/rc51mike/IMG_7293.jpg

Actually my friend told me to go to that place. I'm definitely going.

[rc51mike]

Do you have to have a full suit?
not for the MSF course
but, for all of the track schools.. they do require leathers