Firebird east tomorrow

[Wheeliest]

Me And ryan will be doing afternoon sessions on east tomorrow.

be there or be a fucking rectangle.

[MaTTMaN]

guess im a rectangle.

[MOTOXAZ]

ill be there doing a full day

[Jasonzilla]

I'm working. I'll be there Sunday to watch some racing.

[PHX600RR]

guess im a rectangle.

way to show your support for trackdays and club racing.

[revelations]

guess im a rectangle.

I'm with stupid rectangle

[Jordan]

Well on my way there. Never ridden on east or the bike I'm goin on. I picked up an sv yesterday. Bone stock besides the body work. I'll be slowing it up that's for sure. I haven't rode for half a year or more. Racing is a maybe right now for Sunday.

[Wheeliest]

1.014 was my fastest, consistently running mid 1.01's last session, first time riding east and on tires that have over 100 laps on em...

Had a great day, cant wait for my penske shock to come this week. will be out there tomorrow watching races to!

[Jasonzilla]

1.014 was my fastest, consistently running mid 1.01's last session, first time riding east and on tires that have over 100 laps on em...

Had a great day, cant wait for my penske shock to come this week. will be out there tomorrow watching races to!

Don't blame it on the tires. I'm kidding. Those are some good times. Real good times. Those are laps that would get you to the expert class really quick if you raced here.

[MaTTMaN]

way to show your support for trackdays and club racing.

haha

[Wheeliest]

Don't blame it on the tires. I'm kidding. Those are some good times. Real good times. Those are laps that would get you to the expert class really quick if you raced here.
Cant afford CCS, but thanks man. that boosts my confidence a bit, not being cocky but i know my slow spots and those would be taken care off if i was rocking new-ish-er tires ya know... i hated diving into every turn, second guessing my tire wear and capabilities. I really hope i can turn some fast times at arroyo and learn alot, hopefully maybe possibly be able to pick up some sort of sponsorship and win some contingency to help with costs.

[craqhead]

Thanks for those who came out to support "club racing"!! :goodjob_sign:

Even though it was still raining before sunrise, :rant: the day turned out to be near-perfect racing conditions.
The water "dusted" the track for us, dried out relatively quickly, and the day turned out perfect for racing.

Only one downed rider during the practice sessions due to slick/wet conditions,
otherwise lap times by noon were blazing!
I love watching the GP guys tear up that track!

Came away with two amateur second places and one fourth, one off-track dirt excursion,
and otherwise had a blast and even made it home in time for the Stupid Bowl :yawn: :bored:

[Jasonzilla]

It was good watching you race Craqhead. I initially didn't know why there was that gap between races, but I found out they cancelled that Pirelli 600 race. I had to leave during lunch, but it was nice to see some good racing.

It hit me while I was watching the races that Bucher wasn't there anymore. It's weird not seeing the number one plate dominate the races and be able to just pull away.

[craqhead]

It was good watching you race Craqhead. I initially didn't know why there was that gap between races, but I found out they cancelled that Pirelli 600 race. I had to leave during lunch, but it was nice to see some good racing.

It hit me while I was watching the races that Bucher wasn't there anymore. It's weird not seeing the number one plate dominate the races and be able to just pull away.

I agree, it's sad not seeing him out there anymore, but he got the fear of Jesus put into him by that wreck on East last year. I spoke to him back in Nov/Dec, and he just told me that the crash and its aftermath caused him to re-arrange his priorities and rethink his racing "hobby". I certainly respect his decision, but am sad to see him go, he was such a good example of skill and commitment to be the best he could be out there.

They keep cancelling the Pirelli race and qualifying because there's not enough riders committed to it. In order to run the race, they must have 6 riders minimum, and there was only one. It really throws off the schedule out there..
I guess Pirelli just ain't that popular on the local circuit as a race tire, or the contingency ain't enough.

[R6Woodsie]

Wheeliest - congrats on the track experience bro. Good to read up on your accomplishments and Im glad you're rippin it up. I really hope to join you guys in the near future. With the new job, I can surely pick up another track bike, but finding the time to race is another dilemma. I sure have missed the track riding since the move from CA - lets hope that changes soon!

Keep that rubber side down and keep tearin shit up!

[MOTOXAZ]

They keep cancelling the Pirelli race and qualifying because there's not enough riders committed to it. In order to run the race, they must have 6 riders minimum, and there was only one. It really throws off the schedule out there..
I guess Pirelli just ain't that popular on the local circuit as a race tire, or the contingency ain't enough.
Damn if I can finally get fast enough and get out there they will have two pirelli guys. I love mine but also have great respect for the dunlops as well. someday...

[PHX600RR]

i was there and enjoyed myself! everyone did good and glad no one got hurt. and the saints won. good weekend for once.

[craqhead]

i was there and enjoyed myself! everyone did good and glad no one got hurt.

Agreed, especially after a night of pounding rain, no less!

I was talking to a vintage rider from NorCal, and he couldn't believe how quickly the conditions recovered after the rain we got last night. Welcome to AZ!

[Nero]

Any of you guys going out to Inde?
I cannot wait for that track. I plan on it. Hope to see you guys out there. It's a much better track!

[Nero]

1.014 was my fastest, consistently running mid 1.01's last session...cant wait for my penske shock to come this week. will be out there tomorrow watching races to!

woot! There you go boy. Good job!

[Wheeliest]

lol thanks martin larwence !

[00Silv4.8]

Jerad, I'll run the Pirelli class with you... hell someones gotta be last right? :35:

as for Inde, waitin on the track schedule. Im gonna see if I can persuade my contact into givin us a weekend here pretty soon :D

Good job to those that ran CCS, I had a rough week but will be at the trackday this weekend and next CCS event (not running just yet of course. Next trackday for sure.)

[MOTOXAZ]

hey so that makes three riders. we only need a total of six :)

[00Silv4.8]

haha I'll tell Greg he's running. Adam still wants to run but needs leathers. So 2 more...

[MOTOXAZ]

sounds like a plan. make it happen :)

[Wheeliest]

whats wrong with this photo?

[Jordan]

no front fender?

[TheMans23]

you dont have enough stickers on there, remember they add HP!

[MOTOXAZ]

whats wrong with this photo?

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3066/fbeast.png
U look like a candy cane? lol idk, what is wrong with it?

[Wheeliest]

not a damn thing, im fuckin gangster.

[RyGuy]

haha u do look like a candy cane.

where'd u get the photog?

[RyGuy]

nvm. found it. power of the V!!!

http://www.racersphoto.com/p1032584356/e17ad527

[Racers Photo]

whats wrong with this photo?

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3066/fbeast.png

You're using it without my permission? :47:

You know why you have a pic that makes you look gangsta? Because I'm a long time trackday rider and instructor and I wanted to provide a way for my fellow riders to get some cool pics of themselves. So I went out and invested a shitload of money in equipment, software and time to learn and be able to make you look gangsta. Then I spent even more time and money buying and setting up a website to make it easy for you to view and to purchase your photos. Then I even went so far as to keep my logo out of the way so you can easily see just how gangsta you look. And then, because I like to look gangsta as much as the next guy, but I don't make a crapload of money either, I made it CHEAP to buy your gangsta photo of yourself, so you can display it proudly, and not steal it from another fellow rider. $5 gets you a 1024x768 copy of your gansta self, you don't have to crop out my logo and you can feel good about yourself at night. For a lot less than other pro photographers ask, you can buy the full-resolution image and print a big-ass poster of your gangsta self.

Something to think about.


That rant over with, I'm surprised to hear that's your first time on East. 1.01s is nothing to sneeze at for sure. Decent body position too, though ideally you need to bring your head and torso farther inside.

[Racers Photo]

nvm. found it. power of the V!!!

http://www.racersphoto.com/p1032584356/e17ad527


Ryan, actually, I think this one of you is much better.

http://www.racersphoto.com/p1032584356/e1ad02bb9

[Racers Photo]

Curtis and Jordan, both you guys looked great out there! Wish I could be out there riding with you guys sometimes, but after you've done a thousand laps or so at East, it gets a little old. For now I'm having a good time taking pics of you guys.

Looking forward to the years to come! We're going to have Inde, Chuckwalla and hopefully AMP. That will rock!

[Wheeliest]

You're using it without my permission? :47:

You know why you have a pic that makes you look gangsta? Because I'm a long time trackday rider and instructor and I wanted to provide a way for my fellow riders to get some cool pics of themselves. So I went out and invested a shitload of money in equipment, software and time to learn and be able to make you look gangsta. Then I spent even more time and money buying and setting up a website to make it easy for you to view and to purchase your photos. Then I even went so far as to keep my logo out of the way so you can easily see just how gangsta you look. And then, because I like to look gangsta as much as the next guy, but I don't make a crapload of money either, I made it CHEAP to buy your gangsta photo of yourself, so you can display it proudly, and not steal it from another fellow rider. $5 gets you a 1024x768 copy of your gansta self, you don't have to crop out my logo and you can feel good about yourself at night. For a lot less than other pro photographers ask, you can buy the full-resolution image and print a big-ass poster of your gangsta self.

Something to think about.

Yeah stealing pictures of myself that are water marked.. I dunno about you but i spent $120 that day to let you take photos of me. just like you I invested a shitload of money in equipment and time to learn and be able to ride my bike and look gangsta, You see my fucking bike? is it a 2010 r6? nope, you see my leathers? they look new? nope fuckin borrowed. see my tires? hand me down take offs. So ill be sure to create a photographer budget.

and its NOT stealing but thanks for calling me a thief. ill be sure to let the family i pit with know im a thief because i used a photo that was viewable by the public.

Thanks alot.

That rant over with, I'm surprised to hear that's your first time on East.

You dont even know me hows it a surprise?.. i've only been on a track a handful of times.

1.01s is nothing to sneeze at for sure.

Thanks for the good word and confidence boost. Once again ill be sure to let my friends/family in the pits know how you talked about me.

Decent body position too, though ideally you need to bring your head and torso farther inside.

I'd take your advice if i was trying to break record times.I was riding at a comfortable pace in a comfortable position. no close calls and bike was stable. thanks for your input though...Another great thing to tell people i pit with. your def the kind of fellow rider i look forward to buying photos from.

PS: Any private message sent to me about this matter will be made public. you had no problem confronting me on the public boards so lets keep it that way.

[Wheeliest]

And i request you remove photos of me from your website, I want nothing to do with you/your photography business.

Thank you.

[Birdman]

And i request you remove photos of me from your website, I want nothing to do with you/your photography business.

Thank you.

Take a look at the waiver you signed to get on the track.

[Wheeliest]

its says i cant use photos made public or i cant request to have my photos removed from racers photo's website? that must be in the really really fine print. next to the section about minding your own business

[Racers Photo]

Yeah stealing pictures of myself that are water marked.. I dunno about you but i spent $120 that day to let you take photos of me. just like you I invested a shitload of money in equipment and time to learn and be able to ride my bike and look gangsta, You see my fucking bike? is it a 2010 r6? nope, you see my leathers? they look new? nope fuckin borrowed. see my tires? hand me down take offs. So ill be sure to create a photographer budget.

First off, I may have come across a little harsh, but then I assume the vast majority of adults understand that taking a picture off a photographers website and using it without permission is theft. It doesn't matter if you are in it, if you gave permission to be in it, or whether it is viewable by the public. Spend ANY time reading about copyrights, why they exist and what the laws are.

Besides, according the enthusiastic email you sent me, you couldn't wait to see your photos! You wanted me to post them.

So, apparently you don't know anything about copyright law. That's cool - all you would have had to say is, "Crap, sorry man - I didn't realize that. I'll take the pic down/send you some cash when I can."

Ok, to address your points:

1. The watermark is intended to be a theft-deterrent. That's why nearly all professional photographers put it there. Most photographers obscure the rider with their watermark, but I didn't so you could see yourself better and hopefully help you make the decision to buy.

2. 95% of the riders out there at the track (I know because I know 95% of them) consider it very cool to have someone out there who can take decent pictures of them...oh wait, you did too before I confronted you about this.

3. How much money you put into your bike and trackday, and frankly how much money I spent on my shit is immaterial. By law, you used the photo without permission, and that's theft. No two ways about it.

4. Photographers budget? Did you read my post? I intentionally set the price at $5. FIVE BUCKS! For a web image so broke-ass riders like you and me could afford to legally have a cool photo of you.


and its NOT stealing but thanks for calling me a thief. ill be sure to let the family i pit with know im a thief because i used a photo that was viewable by the public.

Thanks alot.
I didn't call you a thief, I called what you did (accurately) stealing. There's a difference.


You dont even know me hows it a surprise?.. i've only been on a track a handful of times.
Its a surprise because most riders who aren't racers don't go that fast their first time on that track. It was a compliment.


PS: Any private message sent to me about this matter will be made public. you had no problem confronting me on the public boards so lets keep it that way.


No worries! I confronted you in public because you were the first person of the dozens of riders out there that I found was violating copyright law. If anybody else didn't know/didn't care, they now know and hopefully care.

[Birdman]

its says i cant use photos made public or i cant request to have my photos removed from racers photo's website? that must be in the really really fine print.

Basically yes, and it is very fine print. I'd explain, but since you in no way try to be respectful I'll let you figure it out on your own.

next to the section about minding your own business

Well, if it were not for people like me, you would not have CCS or RRSW events to attend locally.

So yeah, I think it is my business. Of course people like you make me wonder if it is worth supporting....

[Wheeliest]

SO you come onto this thread and disrespect me thinking thats going to get me to buy photos from you? and the vast majority of adults download music illegally on the internet. so you keep working on the copyright law abiding position you hold. maybe you can eliminate torrents and peer2peer file sharing.


First off, I may have come across a little harsh, but then I assume the vast majority of adults understand that taking a picture off a photographers website and using it without permission is theft. It doesn't matter if you are in it, if you gave permission to be in it, or whether it is viewable by the public. Spend ANY time reading about copyrights, why they exist and what the laws are.

Besides, according the enthusiastic email you sent me, you couldn't wait to see your photos! You wanted me to post them.

So, apparently you don't know anything about copyright law. That's cool - all you would have had to say is, "Crap, sorry man - I didn't realize that. I'll take the pic down/send you some cash when I can."

Ok, to address your points:

1. The watermark is intended to be a theft-deterrent. That's why nearly all professional photographers put it there. Most photographers obscure the rider with their watermark, but I didn't so you could see yourself better and hopefully help you make the decision to buy.

2. 95% of the riders out there at the track (I know because I know 95% of them) consider it very cool to have someone out there who can take decent pictures of them...oh wait, you did too before I confronted you about this.

3. How much money you put into your bike and trackday, and frankly how much money I spent on my shit is immaterial. By law, you used the photo without permission, and that's theft. No two ways about it.

4. Photographers budget? Did you read my post? I intentionally set the price at $5. FIVE BUCKS! For a web image so broke-ass riders like you and me could afford to legally have a cool photo of you.



I didn't call you a thief, I called what you did (accurately) stealing. There's a difference.


Its a surprise because most riders who aren't racers don't go that fast their first time on that track. It was a compliment.



No worries! I confronted you in public because you were the first person of the dozens of riders out there that I found was violating copyright law. If anybody else didn't know/didn't care, they now know and hopefully care.

[Wheeliest]

Basically yes, and it is very fine print. I'd explain, but since you in no way try to be respectful I'll let you figure it out on your own.



Well, if it were not for people like me, you would not have CCS or RRSW events to attend locally.

So yeah, I think it is my business. Of course people like you make me wonder if it is worth supporting....

I use 1 water marked photo on a forum and that makes you wonder if its worth supporting? thats mature. i guess i should give my money to ted when i ride these shit ass tracks at firebird.. good thing i plan on racing this season at a better track/organization. i could careless if u power the entire CCS org. your no one to me. your just stroking deans balls here.

[TheMans23]

:pop2:

one of the most entertaining threads of the year.

[Wheeliest]

:pop2:

one of the most entertaining threads of the year.

Or worthless.

[TheMans23]

oh i never said it wasnt worthless, just entertaining.

AND I JACKED YOUR SHIT!!!!!! so sue me!!!
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/TheMans23/elbow1banner.jpg

[ballisticn8]

Tom's post made me lol...

:4:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii99/ballisticn8/elbow1banner.jpg

[ballisticn8]

oh yeah, i am also going to second (or third) the candycane comment, just because it made me laugh too... :4:

[TheMans23]

see like i said, the most entertaining thread of the year.

[Wheeliest]

police report has been filed lol

[ballisticn8]

hmm, I'm thinking that maybe I shouldnt post this but I'm bored...

Dean, please be aware that in no way is this post condoning the use by Jason of the photograph you took and posted on your business website, but I see a certain fallacy or double standard in your complaint and since Rob seems to jump all over Jason for his disregard of your copyright, or basically theft, I figure I might point out what I find wrong with your posts/profile.

You yourself stated in this thread that You know why you have a pic that makes you look gangsta? Because I'm a long time trackday rider and instructor and I wanted to provide a way for my fellow riders to get some cool pics of themselves. So I went out and invested a shitload of money in equipment, software and time to learn and be able to make you look gangsta. Then I spent even more time and money buying and setting up a website to make it easy for you to view and to purchase your photos.

So basically in your intro thread and this thread you have explained your business, investment, and reasoning behind it which I have no problem with. I enjoyed thumbing through your picures on your site and think that your experience on the track and on a bike gives you pretty good insight as to where to set up for your pictures. I do however see a certain, um, double standard, does anyone else maybe?

You agreed to a set of rules when you built your profile here on DR, a site which has quite a considerable amount of money and time vested into it by small group of people. In the rules upon signing up, the same rules that you clicked to abide by you stated that you would not post up advertisements, yet your username and your signature are both advertisements to a business you operate, a business that does not contribute to the operating costs incurred for this site. Jason's use of a $5 photograph is wrong in whatever legal standpoint anyone takes, but isnt your username and website posted in your signature of every post also considered theft in the form of free advertisement that you agreed not to do when you signed up here?

Just food for thought... :72:

[Wheeliest]

i dont think you understand that photography is the only important copyright law to follow.

[MOTOXAZ]

oh yeah, i am also going to second (or third) the candycane comment, just because it made me laugh too... :4:
I should have edited it to candy ass :FIREdevil:

[Racers Photo]

SO you come onto this thread and disrespect me thinking thats going to get me to buy photos from you? and the vast majority of adults download music illegally on the internet. so you keep working on the copyright law abiding position you hold. maybe you can eliminate torrents and peer2peer file sharing.

I didn't disrespect you, Jason. I stated a fact. You used my photo without permission. The law calls that theft, not me. I made no statements regarding your character, only the plainly obvious facts.

Who gives a crap about what the majority of adults do? A lot of people do shit that's illegal - does that in any way make it OK for you to do it? Come on.

People that download music illegally or use torrents are not stealing from me, but since you mentioned it, I stop it all the time. That's one of the things I do at work - I prevent my company from being exposed to legal liability by (among other things), stopping music downloading, sharing and file sharing. Because it is ILLEGAL.

[Racers Photo]

You agreed to a set of rules when you built your profile here on DR, a site which has quite a considerable amount of money and time vested into it by small group of people. In the rules upon signing up, the same rules that you clicked to abide by you stated that you would not post up advertisements, yet your username and your signature are both advertisements to a business you operate, a business that does not contribute to the operating costs incurred for this site. Jason's use of a $5 photograph is wrong in whatever legal standpoint anyone takes, but isnt you're username and website posted in your signature of every post also considered theft in the form of free advertisement that you agreed not to do when you signed up here?

Just food for thought... :72:
You make a good point, Nate, and as a matter of fact I had already given that some thought.

I haven't done it just yet, but I had planned to talk to Richie and either get his OK or work out something mutually agreeable.

Having owned and run sites like DR myself, I can 100% appreciate the time and expense that comes with a site like this and it wouldn't be right for me to just jump in here and start spamming you guys.

[ballisticn8]

I should have edited it to candy ass :FIREdevil:

you should seriously consider adding a no homo clause to your above post, if indeed you do i will edit my quote of you and add it in... :62:

and Dean, off topic I guess, as painful as it was for the rider I thoroughly enjoyed the picture of the dude rolling and skipping off the ground, its my hope that the rider is well but damn that was a good shot.

[RyGuy]

dean, sent you a pm

[Wheeliest]

I didn't disrespect you, Jason. I stated a fact. You used my photo without permission. The law calls that theft, not me. I made no statements regarding your character, only the plainly obvious facts.

Who gives a crap about what the majority of adults do? A lot of people do shit that's illegal - does that in any way make it OK for you to do it? Come on.

People that download music illegally or use torrents are not stealing from me, but since you mentioned it, I stop it all the time. That's one of the things I do at work - I prevent my company from being exposed to legal liability by (among other things), stopping music downloading, sharing and file sharing. Because it is ILLEGAL.

Are you a cop? who are you to enforce the copyright law on the internet? The law also states innocent till proven guilty but you seem to be the judge/jury of the internet.

I didnt steal anything. its not in my possession. can you PROVE in any shape/form that I cropped it? i uploaded it? i simple pasted a link and you dont think its disrespectful making fun of me saying "gangster" and you chopping it to "gangsta" like im some fuckin wigger? did i say "gangsta" Fuck no i didn't. you came on here making fun of me and accusing me of stealing when you actually have no proof of your accusation. if i printed it and handed it out maybe that would be stealing. And last but not least, no where on your site does it say your not allowed to use photos, it says u can purchase quality photos. stick to policing the company you work for, not public forums.

[Racers Photo]

Nate - I've sent an email to Richie concerning your point.

Ryan, I can't reply because I don't have enough posts to send a PM yet. But I'll answer your question here.

Yes, it is OK with me to post a link to your photo on my site. In fact, I encourage it. People can then see the other photos there and that will perhaps generate some business for me, either now or in the future.

Thanks for asking.

[Racers Photo]

Are you a cop? who are you to enforce the copyright law on the internet? The law also states innocent till proven guilty but you seem to be the judge/jury of the internet.

I didnt steal anything. its not in my possession. can you PROVE in any shape/form that I cropped it? i uploaded it? i simple pasted a link and you dont think its disrespectful making fun of me saying "gangster" and you chopping it to "gangsta" like im some fuckin wigger? did i say "gangsta" Fuck no i didn't. you came on here making fun of me and accusing me of stealing when you actually have no proof of your accusation. if i printed it and handed it out maybe that would be stealing. And last but not least, no where on your site does it say your not allowed to use photos, it says u can purchase quality photos. stick to policing the company you work for, not public forums.

Dude, really?

[Wheeliest]

dude yeah really fuck off

[PHX600RR]

lets settle this at the trackday this weekend with an arm wrestling match.

[TheMans23]

Yes, it is OK with me to post a link to your photo on my site. In fact, I encourage it. People can then see the other photos there and that will perhaps generate some business for me, either now or in the future.

Thanks for asking.

Ok, if this is something you encourage what the fuck is the big deal of Jason posting that picture? He didnt crop out your company water mark, so anyone that looked at the picture could see who took it. Plus this thread probably attracted alot of attention to your site from all the DR that are enjoying the bitching of Jr High school girls. I could see if he cropped your water mark out completely, and mass printing the photo would be stealing. But he copied and paisted onto a fucking forum, which would be the same as posting a link to the picture like you did with one of the pics, except i didnt have to click on that link to view the picture.

[Racers Photo]

Are you a cop? who are you to enforce the copyright law on the internet? The law also states innocent till proven guilty but you seem to be the judge/jury of the internet.

I didnt steal anything. its not in my possession. can you PROVE in any shape/form that I cropped it? i uploaded it? i simple pasted a link and you dont think its disrespectful making fun of me saying "gangster" and you chopping it to "gangsta" like im some fuckin wigger? did i say "gangsta" Fuck no i didn't. you came on here making fun of me and accusing me of stealing when you actually have no proof of your accusation. if i printed it and handed it out maybe that would be stealing. And last but not least, no where on your site does it say your not allowed to use photos, it says u can purchase quality photos. stick to policing the company you work for, not public forums.

Ok, since you continue to be an ass about it, yes, I can prove that you did it. Gee, I wonder who's ImageShack account is hosting this photo? http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3066/fbeast.png

I wonder who uploaded that photo? I know for a fact ImageShack could tell me, because if you took 10 seconds to read it yourself, you'd see in their Terms of Service specifically state that you are not to upload copyrighted material, period!

And does anyone really think I need to be a cop to ask you to not use my shit without my permission?

No, you don't have to print and distribute my photos to be stealing. The law VERY CLEARLY states it is illegal to do precisely what you did without my permission.

Did I give you a bit of shit when I first posted? Yeah, I did. I wasn't happy about your hacking up my watermark and posting my photo, especially after you made it a point to email me and tell me how excited you were to see them. So I was pissed and that came through in my post.

As a matter of fact, I had planned all along to come here and find out who from DR was at trackday and post some links to my site with photos of riders from here. I have a demonstrated history of being very giving of my work and compared to any other photographer out there my prices are dirt cheap.

[Wheeliest]

lets settle this at the trackday this weekend with an arm wrestling match.
ill be at a real track this weekend.

[RyGuy]

more stirring the pot, but i'd like to fully understand.

I looked over your site and didn't see anything about copyright etc except at the bottom of the page.

So jason screen shot'd the photo from the website and saved it on his comp. Photo is gone, but I remember the water mark still being there. So he's not taking credit and not making any money off the photo. I don't see this any different as taking a newspaper, clipping out a picture or article, and saving it at home. I can see how it completely changes if he crops or photoshops the watermark out, but he didn't do that. someone enlighten me.

[Racers Photo]

Ok, if this is something you encourage what the fuck is the big deal of Jason posting that picture? He didnt crop out your company water mark, so anyone that looked at the picture could see who took it. Plus this thread probably attracted alot of attention to your site from all the DR that are enjoying the bitching of Jr High school girls. I could see if he cropped your water mark out completely, and mass printing the photo would be stealing. But he copied and paisted onto a fucking forum, which would be the same as posting a link to the picture like you did with one of the pics, except i didnt have to click on that link to view the picture.

He did crop it out - I sure as hell can't tell what the website is from that photo he posted.

And it is not the same. He neither posted a link to my site nor gave me credit of any kind.

It is, unequivocally, stealing. It simply isn't even open to discussion.

Look, if Jason had been cool about it, it would have been over with instantly. Ryan handled it correctly. Jason did not. He's being an ass about it, and I'm just responding, quite politely and with facts to back me up.

I suppose if you were an artist and you posted your work for sale on the Internet, and some yahoo decided to download it and use it for himself with no credit or compensation, you wold just let him?

Come on.

[ballisticn8]

Ryan, on page 2 the quoted parts still have the picture, it looks like the photo was cropped and part of the watermark was cut out of the photo.

Tom, lay off the fucking Jack Daniels dude, lmao, and yes, go to page two, the pic was cropped and most of the watermark was removed...

I could understand a guy riding a gix or kawi to make a simple mistake of not seeing something when looked at (cuz they bought POS bikes) but from a Honda or Yamaha rider I have a little bit higher of expectations...

(to Tom and Ryan, eff you both, I'm just giving you shit...)

[Wheeliest]

Ok, since you continue to be an ass about it, yes, I can prove that you did it. Gee, I wonder who's ImageShack account is hosting this photo? http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3066/fbeast.png



I wonder who uploaded that photo? I know for a fact ImageShack could tell me, because if you took 10 seconds to read it yourself, you'd see in their Terms of Service specifically state that you are not to upload copyrighted material, period!
anonymous upload.


And does anyone really think I need to be a cop to ask you to not use my shit without my permission?
did u ask my permission to sell my photos? or take them.

No, you don't have to print and distribute my photos to be stealing. The law VERY CLEARLY states it is illegal to do precisely what you did without my permission.
Where does it say i need permission?


Did I give you a bit of shit when I first posted? Yeah,
I did. I wasn't happy about your hacking up my watermark and posting my photo, especially after you made it a point to email me and tell me how excited you were to see them. So I was pissed and that came through in my post.
That called un-professional

As a matter of fact, I had planned all along to come here and find out who from DR was at trackday and post some links to my site with photos of riders from here. I have a demonstrated history of being very giving of my work and compared to any other photographer out there my prices are dirt cheap.
Good for you..

[Racers Photo]

more stirring the pot, but i'd like to fully understand.

I looked over your site and didn't see anything about copyright etc except at the bottom of the page.

So jason screen shot'd the photo from the website and saved it on his comp. Photo is gone, but I remember the water mark still being there. So he's not taking credit and not making any money off the photo. I don't see this any different as taking a newspaper, clipping out a picture or article, and saving it at home. I can see how it completely changes if he crops or photoshops the watermark out, but he didn't do that. someone enlighten me.

He cropped out a lot of the watermark (see attached), but that's not the point. The watermark is there to help discourage theft, it is not part of the legal issue.

You're allowed to go look at the picture, but you're not allowed to distribute it or use it. You can take that newspaper picture home and hang it on your wall, but you can't post it on the Internet, scan it and use it in a flyer you make, make copies and give them out to your friends, etc. But here's something to think about. The newspaper has purchased that photo from the photographer (or hired him to take it). The newspaper has bought the rights (or some rights, depending on how the licensing is set up) to use that photo. In any case, the photographer has been compensated for his work.

[RyGuy]

if he would have left the watermark, is that not considered giving credit?

[RyGuy]

so he could make a copy of it and keep it at home, but once he posted elsewhere on the internet, then he was in the wrong?

when the newspapers buy photos, then they own the rights to them correct? same as if we buy photos from you, we then own the rights to them?

[Racers Photo]

anonymous upload.

There is no such thing.

did u ask my permission to sell my photos? or take them.

Permission for neither is required, but if asked, I will remove your photos. Since you have, I will comply.

Where does it say i need permission?

On every page of my site it says, "© Copyright, Racers Photo" but it doesn't need to, by law. If it isn't your work, you aren't allowed to use it without permission.

That called un-professional
I can't argue with that. I should have worded my response differently.

[RyGuy]

is copyright infringement A.R.S or Fed law? or international law? lol

[Racers Photo]

if he would have left the watermark, is that not considered giving credit?

Posting it with or without watermark violates copyright law. Hacking the watermark off is just adding insult to injury.

so he could make a copy of it and keep it at home, but once he posted elsewhere on the internet, then he was in the wrong?

when the newspapers buy photos, then they own the rights to them correct? same as if we buy photos from you, we then own the rights to them?

If you do ANYTHING with my work other than viewing it how I posted it, you are violating copyright law. Keeping it at home is personal use. Its wrong, but it's harder to catch you, obviously.

I could do like many, many photogs do and obscure your photo with my watermark to discourage this, but I am trusting in my fellow riders to do the right thing and compensate me for my time and effort. Did I mention you can have a nice sized pic to post to your heart's content for $5? Holy shit, that's less than a Happy Meal. That's another reason I was pissed. C'mon, I'm asking $5, but you still gotta steal it? Really?

When the newspapers buy a photo, in some cases they employ the photographer, so the photos he takes all belong to them already. If say the Republic prints an Associated Press photo, they have to buy a limited license from the AP which specifically spells out what they can and cannot do with that photo.

Same thing for me. When you buy a photo from me, I grant you a limited license to use the photo for certain things. You cannot, for instance, buy my $5 web photo and then use it to advertise yourself or make money off the image. I have a license that will allow you to do that, but the cost is different and you get a much better image file.

[Racers Photo]

is copyright infringement A.R.S or Fed law? or international law? lol

Federal.

United States Code, Title 17.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

[Wheeliest]

u dont need an account to uploaded to imageshack. and gl tracing that upload to me. it will take u 6 months just to get an i.p from imageshack, then another 6 months from isp. then your going to have a address to a house with un-secure wifi lol which you could NEVER trace it back to me.

[Birdman]

is copyright infringement A.R.S or Fed law? or international law? lol

Federal, enforced either by the FBI or Treasury Department.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5297841_photography-copyright-laws.html

[TheMans23]

http://lawgeek.typepad.com/lawgeek/2007/12/copyright-fair.html

a good read :)

so GL actually letting anything stick in court if you get pissed enough to actually take it that far, which would be funny as hell!

[Racers Photo]

u dont need an account to uploaded to imageshack. and gl tracing that upload to me. it will take u 6 months just to get an i.p from imageshack, then another 6 months from isp. then your going to have a address to a house with un-secure wifi lol which you could NEVER trace it back to me.

Dude, the picture is of you, and YOU posted it here. That's all there is to it.

Anyhow, I'm over it, I am not coming after you, the discussion could have been over after my first post. I'll take responsibility for not handling it as well as I could have, which perhaps contributed to you not handling it well.

Fact is Jason, ask any of the dozen+ people here that know me. I am a very laid back guy, and nobody loves this sport more than I do. I want people to get their photos and enjoy them, which is why I am charging a very reasonable fee. It is ridiculously reasonable compared to any other photographer out there.

Anyhow, I will continue to answer questions with regard to the legality/morality of the issue, but I'm done with the pissing contest.

[Racers Photo]

http://lawgeek.typepad.com/lawgeek/2007/12/copyright-fair.html

a good read :)

so GL actually letting anything stick in court if you get pissed enough to actually take it that far, which would be funny as hell!

I appreciate you posting an article that supports my case, though your previous posts seem to indicate otherwise. I don't intend to pursue this, but simply to point out, as stated in the article that legal argument aside, its "rude and disrespectful." Jason was the one that tried to argue it wasn't illegal or even wrong and that I couldn't prove anything. I was simply countering his statements.

[TheMans23]

U.S. Copyright law is and always has been a balance between the rights of original creators and the rights of the public and subsequent creators to use copyrighted material. No one person ever has absolute rights under the law to control every use of a copyrighted work. This applies to you, me, Lane, Disney, Google -- everyone. For example, anyone can take a snippet of this blog post and copy it into their own blog post or email for the purposes of commenting on what I have to say. They can do this without my permission and without even attributing it to me or providing the URL. (Whether they should attribute and link, OTOH, is an ethical matter discussed below).
This balance is codified in the Copyright Act in Sections 106 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000106----000-.html) (exclusive rights) and 107 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000107----000-.html) (fair use). Section 106 says that reproduction and display of another's copyright image can be infringement (I tend to avoid terms like "theft" and "stealing" as they generally do not map well (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=582602) to nonrivalrous concepts like intellectual property) and therefore illegal. However, Section 107 tells us that "notwithstanding Section 106", there are certain kinds of reproductions and displays that are fair use and therefore, not an infringement or illegal -- even when used without the permission or attribution of the copyright owner. Such uses include but are not limited to parody, criticism, commentary, news reporting, educational use, etc. To determine whether a particular use is a fair use, courts look at four main factors, including (1) the purpose of the use, (2) whether the original work was published and/or fictional, (3) the amount of the work taken, and (4) the potential harm to the market for the original work. Factors 1 and 4 are generally considered the most important.
So what would a court think of the Bubble Video's use of Lane's photo? Hard to say for sure, but in the end, it probably is a fair use. On the one hand, the Video does use Lane's photo without permission or attribution. Plus, this is how Lane pays her rent. She takes and licenses photos for a living. Uses like this, if they were to become widespread, could potentially undermine her livelihood and thus, her ability to take photographs like the one used in the video. Thus, there is an argument under Factor 4 that this is not fair.
However, the other three factors probably weigh in the Video's favor. First and foremost, what The Richter Scales did was what copyright law often calls "transformative use" -- using other people's copyrighted works in a new way that adds creativity and cultural value. And while perhaps not a direct parody of Lane and her specific work, the inclusion of the photograph in the video was part of an overall commentary on the world that Lane photographs and the people in it. One could even argue that Lane is a part of that world herself and thus, implicitly part of the subject matter TRS intended to comment on. (Note: I haven't talked to TRS, so I have no idea what they intended). Some courts have found fair use in similar cases involving Barbie dolls (http://www.ncac.org/art-law/sum-mattel.cfm), use of concert posters in a book about the Grateful Dead (http://www.devil-riders.com/vb/fairuse.stanford.edu/primary_materials/cases/GrahamKindersley.pdf), the Mastercard "Priceless" ad campaign (http://lawgeek.typepad.com/lawgeek/2004/03/nader_wins_pric.html), a Family Guy parody (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0316072carolburnett1.html) of Carol Burnett, and 2 Live Crew's cover of Roy Orbison's "Pretty Woman." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_v._Acuff-Rose_Music,_Inc.) Of course, other courts have come out differently, such as one decision over the use of Dr. Seuss-like rhymes in a book about the OJ Simpson murder trial (http://www.virtualrecordings.com/seuss.html). Still, overall, I think a court would find the video transformative and thus, that Factor 1 weighed in its favor.


I honestly could care less for sides on stupid shit like this, its just entertainment that gets me though the work day so thanks for that. But according to this article, it would be very hard for you to win your case due to section 107. I am not saying it isnt Illegal, but at the same time if you didnt want people to copy and paste and slightly crop your pictures then dont have a link on each picture that says "share picture" all someone has to do is right click any of your pics, hit the share picture button. I am glad you two are finally over this cat fight, but sad to see it go with still an hour left at work :59:

[Wheeliest]

Dude, the picture is of you, and YOU posted it here. That's all there is to it.

Anyhow, I'm over it, I am not coming after you, the discussion could have been over after my first post. I'll take responsibility for not handling it as well as I could have, which perhaps contributed to you not handling it well.

Fact is Jason, ask any of the dozen+ people here that know me. I am a very laid back guy, and nobody loves this sport more than I do. I want people to get their photos and enjoy them, which is why I am charging a very reasonable fee. It is ridiculously reasonable compared to any other photographer out there.

Anyhow, I will continue to answer questions with regard to the legality/morality of the issue, but I'm done with the pissing contest.

Your god damn right it contributed to my response. WTF did you expect? you read the shit you typed?

[Wheeliest]

half or more people on this forum don't like me because i don't conform. so i dont care who thinks your great, your a racetrack parasite to me, and people kiss your ass for free photos for all i know.

[Racers Photo]

half or more people on this forum don't like me because I'm an ass.

Fixed it for ya. :40: Let's lighten up, sheesh.

As far as being a racetrack parasite - I've got several thousand miles on racetracks, and thousands of those instructing new track riders. You want to start comparing dick size now? :49:

[Wheeliest]

Fixed it for ya. :40: Let's lighten up, sheesh.

As far as being a racetrack parasite - I've got several thousand miles on racetracks, and thousands of those instructing new track riders. You want to start comparing dick size now? :49:
you a great person, keep it up. ill crop every fucking photo you put on your site and put them on a different site for free download. i dont know you. you dont know me. you seem to think your some great person but ur no one to me.

i hope your photography business makes you lots of money.

[Wheeliest]

and anyways whats your copyright number?

[ballisticn8]

holy fuck i honestly dont know how this thread is still alive... :50:

[Racers Photo]

you a great person, keep it up. ill crop every fucking photo you put on your site and put them on a different site for free download.

You go, girl! Thanks for openly stating your intent to break federal law. This is my last response to your gangsta self.

[Racers Photo]

I am not saying it isnt Illegal, but at the same time if you didnt want people to copy and paste and slightly crop your pictures then dont have a link on each picture that says "share picture" all someone has to do is right click any of your pics, hit the share picture button.
I've taken reasonable measures to prevent theft, and I don't wish to ruin the ability of legitimate customers to use the site in the manner in which it was intended.

[TheMans23]

what intent is that exactly, not to keep this thread going, but to me having that link ability it would be like me opening a thread and saying hey people check out this photo (insert link to your site here).... or there is hey check out this photo, (insert photobucket of copied picture here) same thing in my opinion, who said Jason wasnt going to order the file from you? and honestly if someone else that rode that day asked jason what site he got the photo from I can almost guarentee he would have posted up a link to your site (till now that is) but instead you jumped in and made that comment. those pics on the site are a lower res pic with a watermark, yes it can be cropped out, but anyone that wants a decent non pixilated picture is going to buy it, and i agree that your $5 is a smoking deal, but i dont see any harm done by jason doing a print screen and saying check my "gangster" ass out. he is just another excited track rider and wanted everyone to see it, no intent to save you from almost buying a kids meal for yourself, just showing off which is what he does.

[ballisticn8]

come on Tom, Jason doesnt show off?!?!? :51:*insert cricket chirps here*:50:

[Racers Photo]

who said Jason wasnt going to order the file from you?Its useless to speculate, but his subsequent words are a pretty good indication of what he intended to do. Also, you don't crop off the website logo and upload it to your own photo hosting site if you have any intention of paying for it.

[PHX600RR]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/ethug.jpg

[357Magnum]

:bananalama:

Dean - Think ya could of handled it better to start with instead of jumping down his throat; but you already said that.

Jason - Dude, I don't even know what to say to you anymore. The real issue here and why so many people dislike you is not what you say, it's how you say it and how you handle the situation. So take that for what it is worth, but it's really old.

[00Silv4.8]

hahaha candy ass...

Im surprised this thread is still unlocked.

Hey Jason whats the "T" on your bike stand for? Twat? :4:

jk... lightening the mood.

[Wheeliest]

:bananalama:

Dean - Think ya could of handled it better to start with instead of jumping down his throat; but you already said that.

Jason - Dude, I don't even know what to say to you anymore. The real issue here and why so many people dislike you is not what you say, it's how you say it and how you handle the situation. So take that for what it is worth, but it's really old.
at least i am a man and would apologize like one. unlike just stating I could of handled something better. And no records on the copyright data base show anything to do with dean, so i dont know how the fuck hes preaching copyright law in the first place.

[Wheeliest]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/ethug.jpg
remember that time you flaked out on South mountain ride..

[Wheeliest]

hahaha candy ass...

Im surprised this thread is still unlocked.

Hey Jason whats the "T" on your bike stand for? Twat? :4:

jk... lightening the mood.
im just happy it wasnt a "V" like ryan got, i was laughing so hard ask him.

[Wheeliest]

what intent is that exactly, not to keep this thread going, but to me having that link ability it would be like me opening a thread and saying hey people check out this photo (insert link to your site here).... or there is hey check out this photo, (insert photobucket of copied picture here) same thing in my opinion, who said Jason wasnt going to order the file from you? and honestly if someone else that rode that day asked jason what site he got the photo from I can almost guarentee he would have posted up a link to your site (till now that is) but instead you jumped in and made that comment. those pics on the site are a lower res pic with a watermark, yes it can be cropped out, but anyone that wants a decent non pixilated picture is going to buy it, and i agree that your $5 is a smoking deal, but i dont see any harm done by jason doing a print screen and saying check my "gangster" ass out. he is just another excited track rider and wanted everyone to see it, no intent to save you from almost buying a kids meal for yourself, just showing off which is what he does.

^^^^^^^^ smart man, be careful you might get banned if you keep it up though.

[357Magnum]

tom would never get banned. he makes me stickers. what have you done lately? other than be a gangsta :P

[Wheeliest]

You go, girl! Thanks for openly stating your intent to break federal law. This is my last response to your gangsta self.
better than being a piece of shit liar.

[Wheeliest]

tom would never get banned. he makes me stickers. what have you done lately? other than be a gangsta :P
you know anybody in the army?

[357Magnum]

wtf?

[Wheeliest]

maybe i dont do something personally for you, but i save soldiers lives. which im sure benefits every single fucking person on this board.

[357Magnum]

If you react the same way with a gun in your hand the way you do to people on here...then no you don't benefit me one bit.

[Wheeliest]

you perceive my posts how you choose. im not an easy person to understand. people you think dont like me on the board, send me pm's asking me for help. pretty much anybody that has ever asked me for anything on this board i have helped. not my fault your blinded by jealousy of my skills and great looks

[MOTOXAZ]

you perceive my posts how you choose. im not an easy person to understand. people you think dont like me on the board, send me pm's asking me for help. pretty much anybody that has ever asked me for anything on this board i have helped. not my fault your blinded by jealousy of my skills and great looks
HAHAHAHAHAHA I cant stop laughing at this one. Cuz i just had Rossi PM asking for help about his personal jet. You can bet your ass I helped him when he asked for help.

[MOTOXAZ]

Point made, and Im out. Later!

[357Magnum]

you perceive my posts how you choose. im not an easy person to understand. people you think dont like me on the board, send me pm's asking me for help. pretty much anybody that has ever asked me for anything on this board i have helped. not my fault your blinded by jealousy of my skills and great looks

Which is why you are still here. minus the last part lol

[TheMans23]

tom would never get banned. he makes me stickers. what have you done lately? other than be a gangsta :P

Sweet, i like immunity :35:

[Wheeliest]

if you kiss admin ass u dont get banned.

[TheMans23]

hey, there was no ass kissing, he needed sticker, i made them, he paid, the end. I am sure if you let him use your track bike for a day he would make you immune too :62:

[Wheeliest]

no one rides the candy cane but me.

[MaTTMaN]

no one rides the candy cane but me.

I touched it once!.......no homo

[Nates505n]

hey, there was no ass kissing, he needed sticker, i made them, he paid, the end. I am sure if you let him use your track bike for a day he would make you immune too :62:

KISS ASS!!!! haha

I'll hit you up monday or tuesday Tom. I'm leaving out of town in a couple hours

[RyGuy]

I touched it once!.......no homo

I wouldn't touch that thing with a 10 foot pole

[TheMans23]

KISS ASS!!!! haha

I'll hit you up monday or tuesday Tom. I'm leaving out of town in a couple hours

HAHA Fuck you!!!

Ya just let me know when you get it all written up and we will meet up.

[Wheeliest]

I wouldn't touch that thing with a 10 foot pole
you wont beable to touch it at all once we get on the track this weekend.

[Jordan]

Woah go to arkansas one day and all hell breaks loose. Lol

[07R1ghost]

Haha, oh Jason, your such an ass.....people just dont understand you, I feel so sorry for you. :sorry: lol

[RyGuy]

you wont beable to touch it at all once we get on the track this weekend.

just remember, when i let you pass me, its just sympathy

Haha, oh Jason, your such an ass.....people just dont understand you, I feel so sorry for you. :sorry: lol
no i think everyone understands him perfectly. he's an ass and everyone knows it.

[07R1ghost]

just remember, when i let you pass me, its just sympathy


no i think everyone understands him perfectly. he's an ass and everyone knows it.

Wow, didnt catch the sarcasm? lol

[Wheeliest]

at least i don't lie and police the internet..

[00Silv4.8]

maybe I'll just paint a big puss on my future race plastics? :49:

[MOTOXAZ]

maybe I'll just paint a big puss on my future race plastics? :49:
Naw Devan you cant do that. You would be stealing Jason's idea. He already has his bike painted like its on and off its period.:62:

[Wheeliest]

NO its painted like its Christmas time mother fucker.

[ballisticn8]

Naw Devan you cant do that. You would be stealing Jason's idea. He already has his bike painted like its on and off its period.:62:

so basically you're saying his bike looks like streaks on a tampon... :53:

[MOTOXAZ]

You would know nate. sry man too easy of a shot and i had to lol

[ballisticn8]

haha, nice one, but i found it out the hard way when i tried to steal that chicks ipod in your avatar... :puke:

[00Silv4.8]

hahaha Nate with the save...

Christmas time Jason? you have nothing to offer anyone...

[Wheeliest]

Just Christmas spirit.

[MOTOXAZ]

haha, nice one, but i found it out the hard way when i tried to steal that chicks ipod in your avatar... :puke:
Ya I ran her pretty rough the other night :35:

[Wheeliest]

maybe I'll just paint a big puss on my future race plastics? :49:
you should come to the track with me the 27th... 60 bucks for a full day man. see if u can hang with a non-sponsor'd rider.

[00Silv4.8]

haha ouch... I posted in that thread. If I have it off work and my leathers are in by then Im goin. I usually work saturdays tho because I have a shitty fuckin job. But we'll see. I dont know if I'll live not running till the 7th.

[R6Woodsie]

Maybe a little late on the subject (can thank work for that) but Im going to throw my two cents in....

Ive been in the web design business for almost 10 years now and have built upwards of 500 websites ranging from full blown ecommerce sites for multi-million dollar companies, to personal photo galleries and family blogs. Jason, what you did was wrong. Dean watermarked his photo to "protect" his work. Take it from someone who has extensive knowledge and experience in this field - linking, printing, saving, cropping, editing someone else' work in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM is illegal without the consent of the photographer/creator/designer. Granted, Im sure you were just stoked about the photo and wanted to share your excitement with your bros, but put yourself in Dean's shoes for a moment. He has gone out of his way to create a photography business, invest his hard earned money to purchase equipment, and use his own personal time to take professional pictures of people like yourself. Yes, Dean could have opened the discussion with a more professional tone, but he was upset. If I ever caught someone stealing my work I would almost certainly react in the same way.

Try to view the situation beyond your hateful, sarcastic perspective..it may surprise the hell out of you!

If I may throw in one more request...You're still VERY new to the track scene. I'm glad you're tearin shit up and having a blast, but try not to make any enemies along the way - especially fellow track riders. Respect goes a long way, and will only open up more doors for you in the future.

Keep it real, gangster.

[Wheeliest]

the guys like 100years old and acts like a fuckin kid, so i treated him like one, not going to respect him one bit, he never apologized like a man, i took my photo down so he'd shut the fuck up. it was one photo.

and dont act like you dont download illegal music.

[00Silv4.8]

um... avatar... *cough cough*

[Wheeliest]

i dont see a water mark, musta been a different photographer

[Racers Photo]

Since you continue to be a complete ass, you get to lose the avatar, too.

[Wheeliest]

go suck a grape

[07R1ghost]

lol he said a grape HAHAHAHA

[357Magnum]

go suck a grape

Dude, your beyond lack of respect for anybody that happens to disagree with you on this board is getting old. The fact that you set up trackdays or help people out is becoming less relevant by nearly every post you make. I have heard from multiple people that you are a really good guy in person (including our own moderators) but frankly, you are a complete asshole on here. Either chill out or get out. You have been given multiple opportunities to correct the behavior. Your choice but we are not going to ask you again.

[Wheeliest]

<-- going to get permanently banned soon

[Wheeliest]

Since you continue to be a complete ass, you get to lose the avatar, too.
you win the little battle on DR, but now im going to use the whole fuckin internet.

[Racers Photo]

Waste as much of your life getting all butt hurt over YOUR mistake as you want. Yeah, I was a little harsh in my opening post, but the rest of it has been ALL your own petty I'm-a-real-tough-guy-on-the-Internet self.

[Wheeliest]

well if you weren't a lying child policing the internet acting like you own any copyright you might get a bit of respect, but in my eyes your a bullshitting grape sucker.

[MaTTMaN]

Waste as much of your life getting all butt hurt over YOUR mistake as you want. Yeah, I was a little harsh in my opening post, but the rest of it has been ALL your own petty I'm-a-real-tough-guy-on-the-Internet self.

please, just quit fueling the fire. its over and leave it alone. you saying anything to him at this point will only get him to write back. lets all be adults here!

[Wheeliest]

please, just quit fueling the fire. its over and leave it alone. you saying anything to him at this point will only get him to write back. lets all be adults here!
his opening posts proves hes no adult.

[Racers Photo]

please, just quit fueling the fire. its over and leave it alone. you saying anything to him at this point will only get him to write back. lets all be adults here!

Good advise, Matt. I should have stuck to my earlier decision to ignore him.

[Wheeliest]

Thank god!!!!

[07R1ghost]

:pop2: was just getting good again. Darn.

[RyGuy]

he doesn't have to file any copyright stuff to have the copyrights to his work

[Wheeliest]

yeah well formal registration would have created a different turn of events, such as his childish approach.

[azsunsetangel]

OMG, enough already...

Everyone bitches when we close threads but you guys never stop when a Mod asks you to...

I am closing the damn thread as I am sick of hearing about it...

If you don't like it... PM me