An example of what not to do in a turn

[MOTOXAZ]

We seem to be talking about the track stuff a lot lately and I hate to keep dwelling on it for the people that do not do the track but I just happened to come across this good example of what not to do if you panic into a turn.

YouTube - CBR1000 Lowside Crash

This guy came into the turn too fast for his body position. He is not far enough off the bike and as a result he has much more lean angle and less grip. The ultimate mistake he made is at :42. You can see he touched the front brake. At that lean angle it will result in a low side 95% of the time. In my opinion as well he is still not looking far enough through the turn.

Jason feel free to jump in anytime.

[Jasonzilla]

If people don't want to read about track talk, they shouldn't come to the tracktalk section. Hehehe.

This guy seems to have broken one of the golden rules of throttle control: NEVER add throttle and lean angle at the same time. EVER. The change in pavement may have somethin to do with it as well.

This is a demonstration of when A Twist Of The Wrist 2 (TOTW 2) states that you get on the gas ASAP. "During the steering process, it is very difficult to work back into the throttle smoothly enough to keep it from jerking the bike and upsetting it. To meet the throttle standard, STEERING IS COMPLETED BEFORE YOU START TO GET IT ON."

As for properly getting back on the throttle, TOTW 2 states "as soon as possible. You get on the gas at the earliest possible moment in a corner. This doesn't mean at the apex, right before the apex or right after the apex or at any particular part of the turn, it means as soon as possible." Of course a quick turn means you can get back on the throttle quicker, but make your steering input, THEN it's back on the throttle. If you ever saw Peter Lenz ride and paid attention to his technique, you saw one of the quickest turners in the world. I can cover the 40/60 rule while cornering from the TOTW books if anyone is interested.

The slow motion video was easier to see it on. If you listen to it, you'll here an acceleration of the engine just before the rear tire gives. Then, after he starts going down, the throttle goes away (the tire breaking away is partially to blame for the sound of acceleration, but I wouldn't sound like that if he were not on the throttle). Luckily he lost traction quickly. If the rear tire would have regained traction, he would have highsided.

If it was the front tire that gave he would have slammed into the ground a lot harder. It's usually earlier in a turn that this would happen as well.

You're completely right about the vision though. Watch the first guy. His neck is cranked back and he's visually already through the corner by the time He's half way through it.

Sorry if things don't make sense, I'm writing this on my phone and can't proof it very well.

Anyone else have an opinion?

[MOTOXAZ]

and just for you scooter people lol
YouTube - Scooter Crashes Into Guardrail on Mulholland

[MOTOXAZ]

and here is how to properly do it
YouTube - Darko Rips Mulholland

[hellion_locdogg]

That is the reason "track run-off" exists... When in doubt stand it up, better to play catch up then total your bike and ruin your weekend. I took full advantage of run-off when I raced, I couldn't afford to fix my bike every other weekend.

[Jasonzilla]

and just for you scooter people lol
YouTube - Scooter Crashes Into Guardrail on Mulholland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgKoXzbw13E&NR=1&feature=fvwp)

Sometimes you see something and think "this is the stupidest thing I've ever seen....." then you see this. Fuck me.

[revelations]

that was probably the cause of my low side at Inde as well, hit the throttle too early while still in a lean. Lucky for me it was a clean low side that produced very little damage.

That first guy face planted into the gaurdrail, and the scooter guy lost his shoes.