Food for thought on Trackday prices..

[Blue Devil]

Honestly I cant beleive firebird is charging so much for a single track day rental considering what they have to offer. The tracks are torn up as hell and need some major work. They tracks dont even have a Hot Pit, let alone something that could pass as a pit area... just kinda frustrating when you look at what they charge...

Heres a comparison: Firebird (east, west, or main) compared to Mid Ohio

Biggest factor: Cost
-Cost for one full trackday at Firebird:$185
-Cost for one full trackday at Mid Ohio: $195
Thats a $10 difference that seperates a local track vs. a national track.

Track conditions:
-Firebird needs to be repaved in many areas
-Mid Ohio just got repaved in many areas recently

Now heres some pictures:
Track setup at Mid Ohio with quite a bit of elevation change:
http://www.na-motorsports.com/Tracks/OH/images/midohio.gif

Tracksetup at Firebird:
http://www.aztrackday.com/v2/images/fullTrack.gif
http://www.aztrackday.com/v2/images/easttrack.gif
http://www.aztrackday.com/v2/images/westtrack.gif

Now some pictures of the tracks:
FIREBIRD:
http://www.francosp.com/FrancoSP/February%2010th/images/Picture0173_JPG.jpg

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53599&stc=1&d=1164162540

http://www.ridetime.net/images/RIDETIME048a.jpg


And some of Mid Ohio:
Is that a new surface? No way...
http://feedmesportscars.com/files/mid205.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/54/300px-Gtp_sports_cars.jpg

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2007/images/ROK.jpg

http://www.euroautospecialists.com/nss-folder/pictures/mid%20oh%2002.jpg

WOW real cars run here!
http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/images/amrohio.jpg

and would you look at that! They host national AMA events
http://photos.motorcycle-usa.com/13222vertdisplay.jpg









Now you tell me, what makes Firebird so great that they charge $10 less for a trackday at Firebird then at Mid Ohio?

[SAK]

wait a second i thought this thread was about food

[Rodskii]

I agree... it's insane. But I am sure with our dry temps and high heat they have alot of maintenance to do.. or they are just greedy bastards!!!

[ballisticn8]

i'd second the greedy bastards part... i havent been out there but damn, look how much was charged per person for arroyo?!? granted once you add in gas and food and travel time but still, shit, that trip looked like it was fun as hell!

[RICH22]

just another reason to not do track days ! haha

[Aaron3XH]

just another reason to not do track days ! haha

Exactly I'm cool with the Firebird TD's unless I ever get to Corner Work! Doubt that's happening with whats going on there.

[GixJello206]

I hate it so what's up with willow springs?

[SAK]

lets do a track day at laguna. i wanna fly off the cork screw

[Blue Devil]

I agree... it's insane. But I am sure with our dry temps and high heat they have alot of maintenance to do.. or they are just greedy bastards!!!

Snow and Ice does more damage then no humidity and heat...

[Rodskii]

Snow and Ice does more damage then no humidity and heat...

ehhh what do I know.... I havn't lived in snow since I was 5

[stallion636]

You are right, the prices they ae charging the two trackday organizations to rent the track is Ludacris. It is not entirely Firebirds fault though, it may well be that the Gila River Indian reservation are the greedy ones and they may have upped the lease on the land so they may have their hands tied. I think that the Gila river tribe is trying to get rid of the track because the land could be more lucrative as a business park or something else of that nature. (This is just my opinion and not fact)

[easy money]

Try to look on the bright side of having one of the wost tracks in the country. I am still looking.....

[DruDown3XH]

i'd second the greedy bastards part... i havent been out there but damn, look how much was charged per person for arroyo?!? granted once you add in gas and food and travel time but still, shit, that trip looked like it was fun as hell!

if you plan it right, a 2-day at arroyo, will probly cost maybe 300 per person, i think its 160 for 2 days, get an suv that seats 5 comfortably make sure everyone is riding and chipping in on gas, food can be real cheap if you want it to be. i spent more to go to arroy then what it would have cost to go to firebird, but definitely one helluva experience. we camped, thats always fun. we drank, thats always fun, we all had a good time. it was nice to camp there with like 20 people. i mean, who wants to camp at firebird?? not me.

[stallion636]

I would camp at firebird if it was an option but it is not

[Birdman]

Simple economics actually, supply and demand.

Yea, even if they paved the Firebird tracks, they are flat as all get out.

It really sucks we have no good options here in the valley, REALLY SUCKS.

[Blue Devil]

oh i dont expect elevation changes in AZ but for the price we pay and the money they take in, I would expect some pavement that can somehow be seen as a race track, not a parking lot

[Libretto]

Options

Miller motor sports park
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/3.0/track_directions.php
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=4161010046517207900,33.441440,-112.082510&saddr=S+7th+Ave+%4033.441440,+-112.082510&daddr=2901+N.+Sheep+LaneTooele,+Utah+84074&mra=pe&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=10&sll=33.426458,-111.944778&sspn=0.543267,1.2854&ie=UTF8&z=6

Willow springs
http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/trackinformation/images/StreetLg.gif
(Just one of the 5 tracks they have there!)
http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/home/home.asp
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6267597300347783515,33.440880,-112.089150&saddr=W+Grant+St+%4033.440880,+-112.089150&daddr=3500+75th+Street+West+Rosamond,+CA+93560&sll=37.106045,-112.039515&sspn=8.302896,20.566406&ie=UTF8&z=7


Arroyo
http://www.asmaracing.com/images/Septpics/track.jpeg.jpg

http://www.asmaracing.com/
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6267597300347783515,33.440880,-112.089150&saddr=W+Grant+St+%4033.440880,+-112.089150&daddr=20030+HWY+549+S.E.+++Deming,+NM+88030&sll=34.14837,-115.17688&sspn=4.308903,10.283203&ie=UTF8&z=8

Pahrump
http://www.socaltrackdays.com/socaltrackdays/BIGtracksmaller.gif
http://www.socaltrackdays.com/home.htm
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=6267597300347783515,33.440880,-112.089150&saddr=W+Grant+St+%4033.440880,+-112.089150&daddr=Pahrump,+NV+89048-4826,+US&sll=32.701355,-109.754345&sspn=2.191026,5.141602&ie=UTF8&z=7

Thats just some options that are available yeah I know its a long drive to most of them but if you made a weekend out of it it may not be that bad

[PHX600RR]

i wouldn't camp at firebird, i live here and would much rather sleep in my bed. do they have a track at PIR?

[stallion636]

Yes they do have a track at PIR but it is way expensive to rent and it is not all that safe for motorcycles because of all the cement walls

[Aaron3XH]

Yes they do have a track at PIR but it is way expensive to rent and it is not all that safe for motorcycles because of all the cement walls

They have a Road Course there?

[RICH22]

here is what aaron and my track is going to look like...

1cm left turn no banking

start -- ------------------------------------------------------- finish

its a road course too

[Aaron3XH]

here is what aaron and my track is going to look like...

1cm left turn no banking

start --------------------------------------------------------- finish

its a road course tooa

Haha! I want to do a DriveWay like the one on the Kawasaki commercial up there, that may fly better with everyone up there!

[RICH22]

hahha yeah that would be fun to go to your place then! haha

[DruDown3XH]

this means that we all need to find out how we can support the battle at arizona motorsports park.

[Aaron3XH]

this means that we all need to find out how we can support the battle at arizona motorsports park.

Yes Yes Indeedy! I talked to the guy a week or two ago and they are still in the process of trying to obide by all the rules and regulations i.e. noice levels, he said he's hopeful that they will have open soon, wishful thinking, it would definitely be awesome!

[RICH22]

what are you guys talking about? a new track in town?

[DruDown3XH]

arizona motorsports park in peoria, get with the program man. dont ever ask stupid questions again.

[Aaron3XH]

arizona motorsports park in peoria, get with the program man. dont ever ask stupid questions again.
Arizona Motorsports Park
15402 West Camelback Rd
Litchfield Park, AZ 85340
http://www.arizonamotorsportspark.com/

[RICH22]

well give me the info on that shit.. if its brand new.. and its nice.. why is everyone bitching about firebird? just dont do firebird anymore?

[Aaron3XH]

well give me the info on that shit.. if its brand new.. and its nice.. why is everyone bitching about firebird? just dont do firebird anymore?

See my post ^ link and address!

[RICH22]

yeah i just went there.. so why dont people go there?

[DruDown3XH]

because you are gay

[RICH22]

dru must have a super hard on for me or something.. i think he wants me to be queer like him

[Aaron3XH]

yeah i just went there.. so why dont people go there?

It was open shortly sometime ago, they weren't obiding by the noise restrictions and homeowners complained, now they are trying to iron out the issues. You know whats silly is that the damn Air Force planes fly over there daily all times of day!

[SAK]

the airforce base is patriotic. hahah

[RICH22]

yeah put a huge flag up at this place and you are back in business haha

[357Magnum]

supposedly their license was for non racing events...and they held one. So they got shut down. Its a bitchen track though. would be awesome if it opened back up.

[az 05 r6]

ive talked to a bunch of people about it and they said he can get his lisence back this year and re open it, but if he does he loses his right to sue the city for the money he lost not having it open

[RICH22]

oh damn he is in a conundrum(sp)

[R SIC]

oh damn he is in a conundrum(sp)

don't you mean pickle

[RICH22]

yeah thats pickle in spanish thats why i put (sp)

[R SIC]

oh ok

[raysereaction]

thats why i dont go to track days in AZ i'd rather take my chances spliting Simi-truck